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dinkydi
07-21-2014, 08:46 PM
Thought I would give this a re_look as youthan and heck are here, I believe the Vip has both polarities and the range is fantastic on low power K over the plus or rl

winterbrew
07-21-2014, 09:50 PM
I see on RDF that Stinger VIP is "coming soon" to USA, and the starting price is > $5k USD :)

Could mean they've adapted it for the standard USA Ka frequencies now (33.8, 34.7, 35.5 GHz) ?

Also it was originally designed for static photo radar in EU, so changes would need to be made for mobile radar detection ?

dinkydi
07-21-2014, 10:02 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$ that seems wild price, but yeh will be good if that happens ,i remember a while bak talking to the guy in WA that sells em and the frq for OZ weren't good, but they were looking into it, i think they also could have done things for mobile k, if so and they get good range i think it will be really good

curmudgeon
07-22-2014, 09:33 AM
starting price is > $5k USD

:hopelessness:

Holy batshit, Batman!!!

Hectorlibra
07-22-2014, 09:43 AM
Here in Spain 2.800 Euros.

Stinger VIP, DSI and Card has the best interface, intuitive, easy to use, perfectly designed, and you can install more than 1 only antena to 1 system. But, in my opinion, M3 is better on detection, and you are able to setup what you want.

In Spain, Stinger DSI&Card doesn`t detect out of tune radars, even minimum diferences (Ex. 34.1 Ghz is not alerted, and 34,3 yes).

dinkydi
07-22-2014, 04:14 PM
as wb mentioned they may be coming to the USA, i wonder if they have over come this allowance for out of tune guns,


just had a kwik sqizzz yep wb here it is

http://www.stinger.com/US

wonder who is bringing it into the US

dinkydi
07-22-2014, 07:37 PM
starting price is > $5k USD

:hopelessness:

Holy batshit, Batman!!!

wonder if that is that is for both top of the range vip and the laser

busta
07-22-2014, 08:36 PM
wonder if that is that is for both top of the range vip and the laser

What is there Jammer capability like?

BestRadarDetectors
07-22-2014, 08:58 PM
Not very good from what I hear.

winterbrew
07-22-2014, 09:14 PM
Here's the advertising, courtesy of StealthPilot on RDF.

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Text from attachment ;


Stinger, now available in the U.S. and Canada. msrp from $5,995 for complete
front/rear radar, laser, and fixed camera protection

www.stinger.com - Stinger RADAR Inc. Toll Free: 1-844-723-2787

busta
07-23-2014, 12:49 AM
Not very good from what I hear.

Could have a lot of ALP protection for 5K and know your bullet proof. :)

dinkydi
07-23-2014, 01:40 AM
yeh thats for sure, i think radar side may be good the vip , especially with the gatso low power stuff

busta
07-23-2014, 02:45 AM
yeh thats for sure, i think radar side may be good the vip , especially with the gatso low power stuff

Went through one low power today with RL 600mtrs plus detect so not to worried had a laser set up on the other side but didn't shoot me :)

dinkydi
07-23-2014, 03:38 AM
Yep I get that sorta range on some depends I think which way they are set, some are very short on warning

dinkydi
07-23-2014, 04:20 AM
Here in Spain 2.800 Euros.

Stinger VIP, DSI and Card has the best interface, intuitive, easy to use, perfectly designed, and you can install more than 1 only antena to 1 system. But, in my opinion, M3 is better on detection, and you are able to setup what you want.

In Spain, Stinger DSI&Card doesn`t detect out of tune radars, even minimum diferences (Ex. 34.1 Ghz is not alerted, and 34,3 yes).

i Emailed Stinger direct and a reply came back Paul zmr,the OZ agent in WA, we had a good chat and he may join us :D and he confirmed that the vip is a very comprehensive unit and is just as capable as the plus,in freq and the red flex, also had good reports against the polis

dinkydi
07-23-2014, 05:01 PM
found this on rdf moving ka vs sti had stinger set at 7% dont know what that means ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8yaqXe57i9g

dinkydi
07-25-2014, 12:09 AM
OK guy's , Stinger Vip will be active here on the East Coast next week, radar only

GHZ1
07-25-2014, 02:59 AM
5g hmmm

beingaware
07-25-2014, 06:53 AM
Yep I get that sorta range on some depends I think which way they are set, some are very short on warning
The ones setup for rear number plate hits are always extremely low power and last second.

I have had over 1.2km detections on the vans that snap you'd front plate.

Honestly, I think the ddm will do wonders against those low powered beasts :)

dinkydi
07-25-2014, 03:38 PM
i wonder if it is because its a lot shorter angle on the rear end attack, because if ur on the other side of the road approaching a rear np snatcher u can pick it up at a longer range

beingaware
07-25-2014, 06:11 PM
You would think so but I think they have 2 power settings going by the manual. I believe its on low power when they are on rear attack, plus the rd is less likely to pick up the beam until last moment.
Be interesting to see how the stinger plays against the ddm. :)

dinkydi
07-25-2014, 07:23 PM
Yep sure will, doing a few k, s over next few month ob the plus and St both running

dinkydi
07-27-2014, 09:31 PM
Stinger Installed whoohoo, need some help how to get a pic from mi i phone, pm wb see if he can ?

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Added dinky - cheers WB :)

cheers mate done one run kwikie only shop fronts showing on plus and chirping, nothing from S, so i presume setting band k is set within the limits
Done a bit of checking on setting there is adjustments for sensitively and extra distance warnings. No settings for band seg, KA or K. pre loaded by the looks of it and automatically recognizes which state Ur in , looking into that with RH

beingaware
07-28-2014, 10:03 PM
How you finding your new toy?

dinkydi
07-28-2014, 10:11 PM
Ain't been out yet, changed the settings to high sensitivity and broader band spread, also there is an interesting sec in the install man for the low power in Europe u turn the ant to a 45deg angle, if u look 0n there Web site Vip install

winterbrew
07-28-2014, 11:12 PM
Ain't been out yet, changed the settings to high sensitivity and broader band spread, also there is an interesting sec in the install man for the low power in Europe u turn the ant to a 45deg angle, if u look 0n there Web site Vip install

Looks like its for MultaRadar CD (MRCD) ;

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dinkydi
07-29-2014, 02:18 AM
Yep that's the one, I was just thinking it adds more thought to when ba turned his vertical

winterbrew
07-29-2014, 02:26 AM
Yeah, the MRCD is a strange beastie though (I think the V1 detects it as multiple bogeys on k band) :)

I think the Gatso and Redflex are more conventional though, just polarised in one plane and low powered.

The Stinger's patch antenna is supposed to cope with horizontal / vertical polarisation with no issues, so MRCD must be different

dinkydi
07-29-2014, 03:02 AM
Good thinking, Circular may be,

Vortex
07-29-2014, 03:05 AM
hmm...

I'm just speculating here, but looking at the patches themselves, and the way they're rotated 45 degrees, it almost looks like they're designed for linear polarization and rotating them 45 degrees so that they're a compromise halfway between vertical and horizontally polarized sources.

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I believe the Multanovas are vertically polarized so it looks like they're simply rotating it another 45 degrees to help with detecting it, at the cost of diminished horizontal polarization performance.

Just a guess.

Youthan
07-29-2014, 03:35 AM
You are right Vortex :rolleyes-new:

deano
07-29-2014, 03:52 AM
What is there Jammer capability like?

I cant comment on there radar but when I was purchasing my LI the owner give me a demo of the VIP it was a while ago but the laser heads are the same size as original parking sensors little round circles you find in bumpers of cars ...these sensors can be mounted any where ..the main receiver (some sort of square box ) was the only detector ...when I had the demo in the shop he needed to aim his laser gun at the receiver box ...there was also a time delay between the trigger pull and alert just like the LI has

the laser heads are probly the smallest on the market to this day but the flip side is that the laser heads are only the transmitting not receiving as there is only one receiver unit so one would hope that one single receiver unit will pick up laser every time

to be honest I wasn't impressed with the quick demo while I was at the shop specially when he told me the price

for a 5 grand system that will be out dated withen 5 years this goes for all laser jammers and detectors there is no such thing as future proof

dinkydi
07-29-2014, 04:04 AM
hmm...

I'm just speculating here, but looking at the patches themselves, and the way they're rotated 45 degrees, it almost looks like they're designed for linear polarization and rotating them 45 degrees so that they're a compromise halfway between vertical and horizontally polarized sources.

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I believe the Multanovas are vertically polarized so it looks like they're simply rotating it another 45 degrees to help with detecting it, at the cost of diminished horizontal polarization performance.

Just a guess.

the vip is both horizonta/verticle ,so how is the MultaRadar CD (MRCD) polarized, some thing must be different with the need to make a 45deg option

Hectorlibra
07-29-2014, 03:51 PM
MRCD is vertically polarized (Ex., STI-R M-Ed only detects it horizontally mounted). The problem of this radar is its emision, FMCW. That is the reason why V1 identifies it as multiple boogies.

BestRadarDetectors
07-29-2014, 04:21 PM
I would still like to test one. The Display on this unit is quite nice.

busta
07-29-2014, 04:34 PM
MRCD is vertically polarized (Ex., STI-R M-Ed only detects it horizontally mounted). The problem of this radar is its emision, FMCW. That is the reason why V1 identifies it as multiple boogies.

Hey DD be careful of the Spectre"s

dinkydi
07-29-2014, 04:43 PM
i asked about that and RH said the singer was spectra proof

Hectorlibra
07-29-2014, 04:47 PM
Stinger is ALMOST undetectable, but not 100%...

I have no test with MPHD, but previous antena was detectable at a few meters.

dinkydi
07-29-2014, 05:08 PM
I would still like to test one. The Display on this unit is quite nice.

the display is :cool-new:

winterbrew
07-29-2014, 07:47 PM
MRCD is vertically polarized (Ex., STI-R M-Ed only detects it horizontally mounted). The problem of this radar is its emision, FMCW. That is the reason why V1 identifies it as multiple boogies.

Thanks Hector :)

Here's the technical stuff ;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous-wave_radar#Modulated_continuous-wave

Radarhead
07-29-2014, 11:15 PM
Stinger is ALMOST undetectable, but not 100%...

I have no test with MPHD, but previous antena was detectable at a few meters.

The MPHD is sporadically detectable within around 1 or 2 meters, (an STi is detectable within around 0.25 meters with my Spectre)

Hectorlibra
07-29-2014, 11:23 PM
The MPHD is sporadically detectable within around 1 or 2 meters, (an STi is detectable within around 0.25 meters with my Spectre)

Only when STI is starting up. Isn't it?

Radarhead
07-29-2014, 11:34 PM
After the STi has been on for some time (just checked again with a Magnum).

dinkydi
07-30-2014, 12:22 AM
this gets interesting 1/2 meters detection is only a cars width if leo is parked next to , may have to put this to bed unless we can get more accurate info on the spectre scene , or can it go beyond the two meter, RH can we confirm this,

Hectorlibra
07-30-2014, 12:36 AM
After the STi has been on for some time (just checked again with a Magnum).

Spectre III, IV or Elite? Because with our Spectre IV, STI is not detectable after starting up.

Radarhead
07-30-2014, 01:08 AM
Spectre III, IV or Elite? Because with our Spectre IV, STI is not detectable after starting up.

This is with a Spectre III, but only horn to horn, effectively undetectable... This is similar with the VIP Spectre horn has to be focused straight at the antenna.

dinkydi
07-30-2014, 01:43 AM
had three ka today never seen a leo , only two on the the road and one when i was in mi garage at home with the garage door open, that was a first, the other two never saw leo so dont know if it was off axis or behind, will change the plus to a lower gps speed for warning on the alp, but if the gps radar setting only cover k band, and not ka or if it covers both, wb ? because i heard nothing on the plus that's on if that was the case, as i say i will zero the gps

just realized the ka i got in mi garage, must be off axis, as there is no roads as such around me :thumb:

beingaware
07-30-2014, 04:17 AM
had three ka today never seen a leo , only two on the the road and one when i was in mi garage at home with the garage door open, that was a first, the other two never saw leo so dont know if it was off axis or behind, will change the plus to a lower gps speed for warning on the alp, but if the gps radar setting only cover k band, and not ka or if it covers both, wb ? because i heard nothing on the plus that's on if that was the case, as i say i will zero the gps

just realized the ka i got in mi garage, must be off axis, as there is no roads as such around me :thumb:


Or its the detector picking up your other one.
It happens to me from time to time when my Redline and STIR+ are warming up.
The Redline will freak out at the STIR+ for a moment.
Usually only happens when near a wall or white rollerdoor.

dinkydi
07-30-2014, 05:00 AM
Been in touch with ground control, when I increased sensitivity to max, this also can have an effect,changed a few things now thx rh

dinkydi
08-08-2014, 04:52 PM
Stinger just rocks, picks up ka while the plus is asleep, fast asleep , also rh ka needs up dating as what we talked about will pm u

BestRadarDetectors
08-08-2014, 05:41 PM
Stinger just rocks, picks up ka while the plus is asleep, fast asleep , also rh ka needs up dating as what we talked about will pm u

Please give more information, Do you have any video?

dinkydi
08-08-2014, 06:21 PM
sorry no vid

GHZ1
08-09-2014, 05:08 AM
Stinger just rocks, picks up ka while the plus is asleep, fast asleep , also rh ka needs up dating as what we talked about will pm u
Oh man don't tell me that. I'm saving up now....:concern:
Ok I'm on a site called iradars.co.nz and they sell the stinger VIP for just $3,300 Nz. Is it the same beast?

dinkydi
08-09-2014, 05:29 AM
yep , me to and the adjustments that 's available is great range, sensitivity ,

dinkydi
08-09-2014, 05:44 AM
Oh man don't tell me that. I'm saving up now....:concern:
Ok I'm on a site called iradars.co.nz and they sell the stinger VIP for just $3,300 Nz. Is it the same beast?

should think so, also the company Stinger seem to up date there products regularly, not had a low power k hit yet so that will be interesting, but more than happy with Ka hits

GHZ1
08-09-2014, 06:19 AM
should think so, also the company Stinger seem to up date there products regularly, not had a low power k hit yet so that will be interesting, but more than happy with Ka hits

Ha looks like its some sort of shadow site to radars.com.au. I see they sell them in the UK for £2300 (about $4600 nz) excluding stinger laser. Hmm are we getting a really good deal?

dinkydi
08-09-2014, 04:39 PM
the price has allway's kept folk away from them, about a $1000 diff between the plus and Singer, but over time if proved to be reliable and a better range (sensitivity) it may even it up with saves

dinkydi
08-18-2014, 04:23 AM
ok next 1200 kms, ka on visual about the same,longer distance warning stinger is faster on pick up, also on low power k slant Stinger on top again , beginning to warm to the Stinger early warning, sorry brd no vids

GHZ1
08-18-2014, 12:09 PM
ok next 1200 kms, ka on visual about the same,longer distance warning stinger is faster on pick up, also on low power k slant Stinger on top again , beginning to warm to the Stinger early warning, sorry brd no vids

Mate just stick your smart phone under the passenger head rest press record. Please please pretty please.

dinkydi
08-18-2014, 03:46 PM
will give it a go

dinkydi
08-19-2014, 07:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=W4bNtwU6D4k


at last comp still not right

GHZ1
08-20-2014, 06:33 PM
Very nice over the hill beats the sti-r on K band! Thanks for that:cheerful:

Yaks1974
08-26-2014, 05:27 AM
I've had a Stinger VIP for over 1.5 yrs. Very happy with performance, especially on low power K band compared to my STI. The GPS false list feature makes my 50km drive to work each day whisper quiet, until a real threat is encountered.


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dinkydi
08-27-2014, 03:50 AM
Hi yaks, yeh have one on test and so far lovlng it, as you say great on low power radar and ka, I think we have an update coming next week,

Yaks1974
08-28-2014, 07:01 AM
Cool, Stinger are pretty good with updates, usually every couple of months.


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winterbrew
08-28-2014, 07:33 PM
Nice - going forward, it would be good to see how it does against the MultaradarCD (MRCD) which appears to be in NSW now, and is probably the future radar unit of choice for other states that decide to not go 100% lidar enforcement with Poliscan.

dinkydi
08-28-2014, 07:52 PM
also would be good to know how well the Stinger laser handle's the polis as this farking thing is arriving in Qld, wonder if yaks, know any wa chaps using stinger against polis

Yaks1974
08-29-2014, 12:08 AM
I am using LI for LIDAR defence, I have heard it works well against polis IF using front and rear quad setup (where 2 pairs of heads are angled 30 deg. IMO the LI heads are hard to keep stealthy, the stinger heads look awesome as they look OEM, but I have yet to find credible performance tests of its laser capability.


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dinkydi
08-29-2014, 01:36 AM
Yeh they do look awesome, and would blend well with the bodywork

winterbrew
08-29-2014, 01:51 AM
Yeah, I'd like to at least see a video on how Stinger laser handles a rear facing Poliscan (rear sensitivity, i.e. how many metres past the camera 'til alert). A dual rear LI setup will often only alert 50 - 60m past the cam, and the VPS usually nails you around 30 - 40m past, so too late. My rear dual LI's also missed a few rear VPS shots, even running max sensitivity. A quad LI at the rear for VPS is a must, with all the angles and heights covered.

dinkydi
08-29-2014, 01:59 AM
Agreed, may be yaks knows some Perth guys from rdf That have some experience with Stinger laser rear attacks

GHZ1
08-30-2014, 05:59 PM
Did you say Perth guys may have experience with rear attacks.... sorry :focus:

dinkydi
08-30-2014, 06:03 PM
:roflmfao: nice one

dinkydi
08-31-2014, 07:46 PM
Good Explanation
here http://www.escortradarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9611&page=2 about the patch ant, just a small correction the vip ant is full ka wide band sweep

Hectorlibra
09-01-2014, 02:25 AM
Probably VIP MPHD ant is full ka wide band sweep (I have not tested it yet), but previous models of SA had several problems with out of tune radars, and in Spain, we had to buy another new antena when 35,5 radars grow up (the previous only detects 34,3 Ghz.).

dinkydi
09-01-2014, 03:20 AM
ok we are awaiting the new f/w which is adding 35.5 plus a lot more big up grade which will be just a normal usb job this week i think , no mention of antenna change so may be they have modified some thing to avoid the changing of the ant, also forgot to add band width and or sensitivity is also adjustable another great feature on this vip

beingaware
09-01-2014, 03:26 AM
Highly doubt any antenna change would happen if the antenna already does segments across the band. Especially at any microwave frequency. The adjustments would be less then a few microns. And that would not have any real gain. Just people blowing smoke I'm afraid.

dinkydi
09-03-2014, 10:15 PM
coming soon :eagerness:



We are introducing VIP 3.0. A mega software upgrade, downloadable at no cost to all current VIP users. VIP 3.0 provides target view screens, improved audio alerts, further improved performance, and is even more quiet. Available soon via Stinger Desktop.

Find an overview of the VIP 3.0 features below.







TARGET VIEW SCREENS

Experience target view screens and you will never have to wonder where exactly the speed trap is. It shows whether radar* comes from ahead, the side, or the rear (requires front and rear HD Antennas on your car), laser* is shot at you from ahead or the rear (requires front and rear Lasers on your car), and has a proximity indicator for SpotList alerts.

IMPROVED AUDIO ALERTS

VIP 3.0 also comprises new voice alerts (in English), as well as accelerating SpotList Alerts with which the alert rhythm will increase the closer you get to the Spot. Also, we have added SimpleSounds: the option to enable more subtle alert sounds.


Short Pulse radar gun


EVEN BETTER PERFORMANCE

We engineered something we call 'Dynamic Sensitivity'. This adds extra sensitivity right where you need it: against tricky speed traps. Moreover, VIP 3.0 also provides new alerts for so called Short Pulse, Quick Trigger or POP radar guns such as used in some parts of Europe and the U.S.A.

EVEN MORE QUIET

Stingers are relatively quiet co-pilots already. But it can still be better. With 3.0 believe we have taken a big step yet again. The completely new FalseListing platform makes your Stinger so quiet that it may make you think you switched off the sound. On top, the before mentioned Dynamic Sensitivity will make your VIP even more quiet. Lastly, the new VIP software comes with further improved filtering features that can stop erroneous in-car and out-of-car radar sources from ever bothering you.

AND ALSO...

Next to all this, VIP 3.0 also encompasses:

- support for the VIP XL Display
- support for front and rear HD Antennas
- better and faster signal processing



* NOTE: FEATURES AND FUNCTIONALITIES ARE ONLY AVAILABLE WHERE ALLOWED

dinkydi
09-07-2014, 02:59 AM
ok still rolling got two low power k wont bore ya but i sure like the S by my side, and ka same again, all up very very impressed

beingaware
10-23-2014, 06:05 PM
Waking up an old thread.

So far I've been amazed by Stinger.
Detection beats my vertical STIR+ with DDM on both KA I/O and low power k photo cam detection.
Beats my Redline on KA I/O.

The false filtering is brilliant, and locking out falses makes for a quiet ride, considering the lock outs are based on a much smaller bubble then the STIR+ and its also to that freq rather then a band seq, it makes you feel safe locking out falses.

The spot list alerts are brilliant, certainly is ahead of my TomTom for "safety" cameras.

Hopefully now that the weather is warm and the holidays are near, there will be more chances to test against live "threats".
Watch this space :).